Tuesday, February 08, 2005

NA Confidential vs. NA Incontinent at Monday's City Council meeting

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them. Author Ray Bradbury

“What are you reading?”

As opening lines go, this is a fairly innocuous one. Most of us regard it in the same manner as other common greetings, like “how are you?” and “what’s up?”

How is it, then, that a seemingly harmless supposition with respect to one’s view of the act of reading is transformed into an offense, a provocation, a seeming challenge to one’s masculinity?

Mention the words “NA Confidential” to New Albany Councilman Dan Coffey, and you’ll find out what those of us who grew up on a farm have known since childhood.

Wild skunks spray as a defense mechanism when they perceive a threat.

At least one beleaguered local politician has now been observed to display similar characteristics.

At last evening’s City Council meeting, I took advantage of the time allowed for public comment to speak briefly on three matters:

(1) To restate NA Confidential’s opposition to the further expenditure of public monies to fight a losing battle against the 1st Amendment in the New Albany DVD case,

(2) To encourage the mayor (who was absent) and the council to consider setting up public forums for discussion of matters not reserved to the weekly Board of Public Works and Safety meetings, and

(3) To support the March 2 Public Affairs Symposium, "New Visions for Downtown New Albany."

NA Confidential regards these statements as general in nature, fully in keeping with the “respect” factor and time limitations enforced by President Jeff Gahan, and certainly not directed toward any single individual on the City Council.

But Dan Coffey’s immediate, visceral and jarringly defensive reaction was as indicative of an ill-tempered, anti-progressive mindset as one is apt to find without running to the library for transcripts of Senator McCarthy’s 1950’s-era witch hunt hearings in the US Senate.

These hearings might be available on video for the benefit of those who feel threatened by the act of reading.

Coincidentally, Dan Coffey does not read Blogs because “anyone can hide behind the keyboard,” but by means of osmosis or the Vulcan mind meld, he purports to know exactly what is written in NA Confidential.

Dan Coffey, who sits as part of an elected body known as the “city” council, which is charged with matters pertaining to the city as a whole, sees no need to speak with anyone outside his own district, where he holds public meetings six times a year ... and ... hey, you ... outsider … you don’t live here, do you? … well, congratulations, you’ve just been invited not to attend!

Dan Coffey emphatically and abrasively possesses not the slightest intention to attend any town hall, public forum or revival meeting that is not organized by himself in the safety of his own fiefdom, especially if he’s invited only to listen to the taxpayers throughout the city who pay his salary (and whose money he spends) rather than speak himself.

That’s because Dan Coffey, red-faced and sermonizing, is in fact gravely insulted at not being consulted.

By his own admission, he doesn’t read, but also by his own admission, he is one of the select group able to understand the money, who controls the purse strings of the city, who knows how things get done, who certainly doesn’t need the advice of mere "complainers" who should know their place in the back of the cosmos bus or else get up off their laggard butts and run for office – as if there were no other way to participate in the political process in this city.

The meeting room was quiet as the Wizard of Westside self-destructed.

Then, having encapsulated the most virulent form of New Albany’s native disease in far more eloquent fashion than has been attempted in NA Confidential or any other repository of the written word, Dan Coffey ceased his diatribe.

Ten minutes later, Dan Coffey nodded in assent as fellow Councilman Bill Schmidt produced the results of personal research indicating that neither he nor Coffey, or for that matter, anyone else on the City Council really knows how much money the city has borrowed or if it has been paid back.

NA Confidential earnestly hopes that Dan Coffey’s outburst last evening was the result of the stress and strain that doubtless accompany the task of sifting through New Albany’s current budgetary woes. The Courier-Journal’s and Tribune’s coverage of the meeting make clear the extent of the crisis.

But extenuating circumstances aside, Dan Coffey’s performance cannot be allowed to pass without comment.

His narrow parochialism with respect to the responsibilities of elected public representatives is sadly indicative of the discredited “ward-heeler” school of political “thought,” once the norm but now utterly incapable of providing the unifying vision critical in a world increasingly reliant on the very qualities of communication and inter-dependence that Coffey regards with open contempt.

And, for the record, I’m reading “The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History,” by John Barry.

Volunteer Hoosier's essay "Contrapunction" analyzes the February 7 City Council meeting

New Albany budget questions put vehicle requests on hold, by Ben Zion Hershberg of the Louisville Courier-Journal

Outstanding loans force delay in possible purchase of city vehicles, by Amany Ali, Tribune City Editor

29 comments:

Brandon W. Smith said...

Wow.

I think we're getting to the root of the problem, "disease" if you like, in this city. I say we give Mr. Coffey and his ilk all the rope they need to commit political suicide.

edward parish said...

Brandon, I think that is presently taking place. The true colors of these individuals are starting to show. To make statements of hiding behind a keyboard is preposterous, my name clearly states who I am. That said, I have nothing to hide, only desire to have my voice heard in a manner that is an educated and more modern way of communication. These leaders do not want the apple cart upset, so they can continue to keep their small town small. We are approaching all of this from an educated, thought out process and they are feeling some what threatened by it all. Folks, come to Destinations on March 2nd and just listen to what will be said. We as a community will all benefit from what is being proposed.

The New Albanian said...

Brandon, you mustn't discount the enduring appeal of populism with the body politic. No one is suggesting that Mr. Coffey isn't savvy when it comes to assessing what plays in his constituency, which of course makes his political dalliances further, ahem, "east" so much more compelling, especially to those with a literary bent.

Brandon W. Smith said...

You're absolutely right. I was thinking, but didn't include in my post, that he is probably accurately representing many of his constituents via his behavior.

Populism is not necessarily a bad thing...it's just about couching your message in terms the "common man" can relate to. This is another reason I continually insist on engaging, not alienating, the working/service class majority in this town when contemplating revitalization, etc. Let Coffey, et al. have their fits...but make sure they are called on it for all to see. If people keep plugging away at bettering NA, holding events, etc., the opposition of certain City Council members will look more and more foolish.

The ideas represented on the various blogs, to me, should not (and do not) represent an intellectual/elite/snob vs. common man. I think most of us here grew up in the region, have worked in factory/service jobs, were at some time steeped in the local culture, etc. Coffey, et al. have no monopoly on this.

curmudgeon said...

As a life-long "Piker" I am about as 'west-end' as you can get. And, at the risk of indictment, I must confess that I would not know Mr. Coffey if he bit me; nonetheless, he does not sound like a west-ender to me.

I do realize that the hero-in-residence days of Bob Carver are long gone... as is the rock quarry I used to play in as a kid... yaddita,yaddita. I would also not be surprised, quite frankly, if the literacy rate (measured in the most general sort of way) in the west end was somewhat lower than other sections of NA, writ large.

The portrait presented of Mr Coffey doesn't sound good, and I am moved to check him out at first opportunity.

All4Word said...

Does showing up for your neighborhood association meeting count as one of the half-dozen "town meetings" in Mr. Coffey's resume? Just wondering.

Would dropping by the South Side and schmoozing the folks count as a town meeting? Just asking.

Would responding "hello" when hailed on the street count as a town meeting?

You know, I don't mind the politics. That's pretty much normal. But it is an embarrassment when A) a council member makes such obviously fascist statements and B) refuses to retract them after seeing them read back to him in print.

bluegill said...

A bit of personal testimony to reinforce what Brandon said:

My grandparents and great grandparents lived within two houses of each other in Mr. Coffey's district on West 10th for decades. Its reputation for being on the "wrong" side of the interstate existed long before the interstate. My mother grew up there, roaming the formerly safe, prosperous streets of downtown on a daily basis. Enough money for a movie and a coke at the Grand was tantamount to a glorious Saturday.

My grandfather worked in production at Breece Plywood until the day they closed their doors and was a post commander at the VFW on Market. My grandmother put in 17 years at the Whitehouse.

My wife's grandparents ran a photography studio on Oak Street and her mother is a local librarian. I met my wife at the Carnegie Center where we both interned as college students. We were married at the Culbertson Mansion.

I grew up in Sellersburg, the only kid in the sixth grade with a New Albany Bulldogs t-shirt and hat. And, as Ed can attest since he knows my father, I spent a lot more time with a pick and a shovel than I did with books or lofty ideals as a youngster.

My wife and I are currently looking for residential property in the neighborhoods around downtown New Albany. Our family histories and the spirit of those we've met on the blogs, at Destinations, and via the East Spring Street Neighborhood Association have conspired to make us advocates for the type of creative, diverse community we'd like to live and raise children in, even before we've found that special house.

We've read, studied, traveled, and lived in other cities. We know New Albany can be better and are already successfully convincing other young couples to join us in what may become the work of a lifetime to make it so.

It's with great hope and determination that I volunteer my time and thoughts to the process of rebuilding what arguably used to be the most vibrant community in the region. I'm not personally familiar with anyone involved in local politics nor am I afflicted with the silly yet cancerous diatribes that all too often characterize partisan efforts.

I sincerely wish the process to be as inclusive, cooperative, and respectful as possible. As a young man in my thirties, I'm old enough to know that, even though infrastructure and financial problems exist, it's the people and the dialogue they share that define a community- not the empty buildings and dirty alleyways. I'm still naive enough, though, to believe that the best ideas and those who encourage them should be carry the most weight.

As such, I hope Mr. Coffey will realize these blogs and public forums are perhaps his best opportunity to prove himself as a local leader rather than just the winner of a simple popularity contest. Should he choose otherwise, however, and attempt to thwart them out of short sighted personal interests, I'm certainly not afraid of him, red-faced and ranting or not.

Beyond all the ballyhoo, I'm certain of one thing: My great grandparents didn't spend years of their free time driving people to the polls and their son didn't leave their west New Albany home to parachute into the Pacific just so some local huckster could tell their grandson to shut up.

Rhiannon of NA said...

What do you expect from Dan Coffey, he is a grandstanding politician, who by the way used to sell and rent porn movies down on main Street during the Doug England reign, now he is the family values protector of the West End and the city from the evil NA DVD, how's that for hiding behind an illusion?

CONCERN TAXPAYER said...

First of all I would personally like to "THANK -VallaAnn BOLOVSCHR." SHE is truly an INSPIRATION" for all of us. AS A BUSINESS PERSON-HOMEOWNER AS WELL AS "TAXPAYER".. She is an hands on person. AND A DEFENDER OF RIGHT AND WRONG. AND STANDS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT GET TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS..AS WELL AS HOLDING THOSE WHO ARE ACCOUNTIABLE..I TRULY WANT YOU TO KNOW YOUR "NO NONSENSE TOLARANCE" FOR EXCUSES FROM OUR "ELECTED OFFICIALS" IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED. I highly "RESPECT YOU" for your "SINCERE CONCERNS -ACTIONS & QUESTIONS. I have several ""FACTS"" I would like "TO SHARE WITH YOU"...On THURSDAY -FEBURARY 3,2005-The City Council President JEFF GAYHAN held a CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP. First of all -INDIANA STATE LAW SAYS-'YOU MUST POST AN AGENDA TO INFORM THE "PUBLIC"OF TOPICS TO BE DISCUSSED. Also "GAYHAN has "OPENLY SAID - HE WILL POST THE CALLED "MEETINGS AS CITY BUSINESS" TO ALLOW THEM TO TALK ABOUT WHAT EVER THEY WANT TO DISCUSS??? MAYOR GARNER spoke to the City council at the FEBURARY 3,2005 MEETING.-WHICH WAS SeT UP BY GAYHAN...At this meeting "MAYOR GARNER" explained the list of "EXPENDURES" he wanted the council to "APPROVE " AT THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ON MON. FEBURAry 7,2005..Councilman Schmidt presented a report last night to the City Council on "THE LIST OF TEMPORARY LOANS OF 2003-2004. COUNCILMAN SCHMIDT CONCERNS WAS THE QUESTION OF "REPAYMENT OF THESE TEMPORARY LOANS TOTALLY $10,200,000.00-(WERE TALKIN millions of dollars here).""MY heart skipped AT LEAST 3 BEATS SITTING THERE." ALL I COULD HEAR WAS mILLIONS OF DOLLARS. IT APPEARED TO ME THAT NONE OF THE OTHER "COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD ANY ANSWERS? Then "TONY TORAN" rep. "MAYOR" Had no answers-"JUST A WAIT AND SEE ATTITUDE????""SO WERE WAS MAYOR GARNER""?? Now another "FACT"-The CITY CONTROLLER Nor her "DEPUTY" was not present,as "REQUIRED" BY INDIANA STATE LAW. In order to answer any and all "QUESTIONS ASK FROM EITHER THE TAXPAYER OR CITY COUNCIL?? I WILL SAY I FEEL ONE OF THE FIRST BIG MISTAKES MAYOR GARNER MADE WAS BY NOT PUTTING KAY GARRY IN AS CONTROLLER. I support-stand 125% BEHIND THIS WOMEN. I FEEL SHE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM WHEN IT COMES TO TAXPAYERS MONEY..NOW ANOTHER "FACT" THIS $10,200,000.00 FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND -THIS AMOUNT ONLY "PERTAINS TO THE GENERAL FUND"-OPERATING EXPENSES-RENT-UTILITIES-AND PAYROLL ETC. FOR THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY.NOW today I open my "NEW ALBANY TRIBUNE"-dated FEBURARY 8,2005 "Under BUDGET CONCERNS"-"SAM LAHANSIS,SEWER PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY "SAYS- He doesn't think the "CITY BORROWED THE FULL 8 MILLION DOLLARS?"-MR.LAHANIS-WHAT I SAY TO YOU IS THIS ""PLEASE REVIEW THE SEWER BOARD MINUTES-OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY. DATED TUES. MAY 20,2003 WHICH MR. LAHANIS ATTENDED WHERE THE "RESOLUTION PASSed UNANIMOUSLY FOR 8 MILLION DOLLARS TO BE LOANED "TEMPORARLY TO THE GENERAL FUND OF THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY.."""HOW DARE YOU "MR. LAHANIS-JUMP INTO THE "MIST OF OUR NEW ALBANY BUDGET CRISIS WITHOUT "THE RIGHT FACTS OR QUALIFICATIONS" ---"SHAME ON YOU"........FACT-DAN COFFEY IN 2003 I HEARD YOU MAKE THE STATEMENT SEVERAL TIMES-THE CITY OF NEW ALBANY WAS BEING PUT "IN BANKRUPTCY"."HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN YOU WORK FOR US"- WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TO BEV CRUMP-I WOULD THINK YOU AND SEVERAL OF THE OTHER "NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS" WHEN THEY TOOK OFFICE WOULD ASK OR INQUIRE TO THE "MONIES" LEFT BY THE PREVIOUS MAYOR-OR ASK THE QUESTION-"HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE TO WORK WITH." HOW DARE YOU ATTACK-"VALLA ANN"-YOU ARE NOT "CONDLEEZZA RICE"...YOU WORK FOR US......I WAS ALSO AT A COUNCIL MEET A FEW WEEKS AGO AND HEARD "YVONNE KERSEY" AS WELL AS "VALLA ANN" ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND I HEARD THEM ASK THE BIG QUESTION -"BOTTOM LINE-"WERE DID THE MONEY GO"? AS I SAT THERE LAST NIGHT-AND OVER HEARD "THE CHIEF OF POLICE OF NEW ALBANY TELL ANOTHER TAXPAYER-HE WAS ASK TO BE THERE BECAUSE "THEY SAY THESE MEETINGS ARE TURNING "INTO THE JERRY SPRINGER SHOW-"AND THEN "AMANY ALI LAUGHED"..I TRULY DID NOT FIND "HUMOR" IN WHAT I HEARD. I FEEL AS A "VERY CONCERNED TAXPAYER THAT THE "CITY COUNCIL" BE THE GOVERNING BODY TO MAKE THE CUTS."NOT THE MAYOR"-SHANON GIBSON NOR KAY GARRY.I ALSO WOULD LIKE FOR "JAMES GARNER AND TONY TORAN" TO RESIGN? AS A "TAXPAYER" I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A "FULL AUDIT" AND AN "INVESTIGATION OF THE GENERAL FUND"-NVESTIGATION ALSO INTO THE "SANITATION DEPT AND SEWER UTILITY BY "THE INDIANA ATTY. GENERAL,STEVE CARTER." SIGNED- "A VERY CONCERNED TAXPAYER"

curmudgeon said...

golly... has Floyd Turbo re-surfaced?

Rhiannon of NA said...

Hello again All4wordy, I think you are a hypocrite, you freely attack Dan Coffey, don't get me wrong he has it coming, but in your blog you state that you purposely excluded elected officials from your upcoming forum to "insulate elected officials from ambush oriented individuals to blame them and attack them" Yet its ok for you to attack them at will on this blogspot and your own. Who appointed you as the spokesperson for the people?

You a are a typical egocentric man who feels he must control the debate, your wife must be a strong person to put up with your arrogance.

na girl said...

A message to the elected officials of New Albany:

*Born and raised in New Albany.

*Great-great-great grandfather came to New Albany in 1815.

*Graduated from New Albany High School and Indiana University Southeast.

*Own residential and commericial property.

*Investor in a local business.

*Pay property taxes and county income taxes.

*Member of/donor to various community organizations.

*Resgistered voter.

I am not a complainer behind a keyboard. I am a citizen. I have put my time and money where my mouth is. I am for New Albany. What are you for?

And, I am currently reading "Live Well on Less Than You Think" by Fred Brock. $15 at Destinations Booksellers.

Kevin Zurschmiede said...

Not trying to get political on you all but what do you really expect from a group of politicans that got elected because the citizens of NA could not stand change. The previous administration was making too many changes. Doing things that had never been done in our city.
It made many of our narrow minded citizens uneasy.

I realize that some of the current political leaders are fine but for the most part we need a complete overhaul of our political leaders.


I've said it before and I'll say it again its going to be a long 2 years 10 months and 20 days.

If anyone really wants to change the way the city is ran they are going to have to go out and do some heavy recruiting. Its the same thing a professional athletic orginization does when they are losing.
They fire and then hire.
They trade and change.
New Albany has been ran poorly for so long that it will take several years to change.
It will take a city council made up of local business men and women as well as other professionals.
They will need to make a 8 - 20 year committment to serve the citizens of New Albany.
They will have to be open to change and be willing to make tough decisions that will not be very popular to most citizens. They will have to be able to make decisions that will make our city advance not decline. They will have to be forward thinkers. They will have to make decisions based on facts not fiction.
They must be well informed and able to gather the much needed information to move this city into the 21st century.
The idea of doing things just because thats the way it was needs to go out the window.
The ideas of doing things because thats the way they should be done needs to become the focus of our leaders.
Its so easy to do nothing but much harder to do something.
I have not attended any current council meetings but I have attended several in past years.
I guarentee anyone out there that has a doubt about what is being written here in this blog just needs to attend one or two council meetings and they will quickly understand why we have a poorly run city.
Our city has been mismanaged for so long that we are almost out of business. If the city of New Albany was really a business it would have no customers left.
Can you imagine be treated the way we have by our leaders by any other business's staff and management.
Right you would leave and never come back.
You'd have to pick me up off the floor if someone from the city asked me how am I doing as you public servant.
Is there anything you could think of that I might change to improve the city.
Until some genuinely serious leaders step up to the plate we are going to be stuck with ho hum political deadbeats.
To serve a city is a serious task to say the least and the people of the city should demand respect and competance of there political leaders.

My challenge to all reading this is:
1st,I challenge you to attend a city council meeting ASAP.
After doing so I challange you to have a friend or relative attend a second meeting with you.
If we all do this it will educate many of our citizens about the council and bring to the forefront the urgency that needs to be addressed concerning our city government.
It also may make some sleeping local leaders wake up and come to the rescue of our much beloved city.
KWZ

na girl said...

A clarification:

The purpose of the Destinations Booksellers' quarterly public affairs symposium is to discuss ideas and explore possibilities. Our first symposium will address the topic of what should/could be done with downtown New Albany.

A four-person panel representing various interests in downtown New Albany will comment on presentations made by several speakers.

This forum is about generating ideas for improving and investing in our city. Anyone who is interested in the future of New Albany is invited to attend. Elected officials are more than welcome. This should be a great opportunity for them to meet and listen to some of their constituents.

As the moderator of the forum let me assure you that it is not about politics and I will not allow it to be about politics.

Please check my blog for some background information on the kind of ideas that may be discussed at the forum

www.narenewal.blogspot.com

All4Word said...

What am I reading?

For the record, I'm reading Lynne Truss's "Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero-Tolerance Approach to Punctuation"

bluegill said...

For the record, it's "The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream" by Jeremy Rifkin for me.

Brandon W. Smith said...

Rhiannon, I don't see the contradiction that you do between Randy's blog and the purpose and format for the forum. I've spent a lot of time talking and debating with Randy in person and via Internet. Your portrayal of Randy is not only inaccurate but entirely unwarranted.

Now..let's all chill, folks, and remember how easy it is to misconstrue each other over the Internet.

New Alb Annie said...

I agree totally with many of the points Mr. Zurschmiede has made. I think much effort should be put into recruitment of persons who can run for office next election--persons who have business training and experience and who are able to (and desirous of) effectively managing our city.

When I learn things about our elected officials like those that have come to light recently, I believe that their motives are purely self-serving and intended to keep the old status quo. Mayor Garner and Councilman Gahan, what were you thinking? Why would you ask WNAS to NOT air the council meeting tapes? Did you think no one would find out, that Superintendent Brooks would not report your request? And why, oh, why, do you two think that these meetings should not be broadcast? As a friend very close to me has stated, "The devil likes to work in the dark."

The kind of leadership we have now in many cases is NO leadership. It is so disturbing, because New Albany has such potential! I do not understand why someone who has gotten the great opportunity to serve as Mayor of this town isn't taking advantage of the chance they have been given. Just imagine what this city would be like if we had a real leader in charge!

Kevin Zurschmiede said...

HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

MJ said...
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Brandon W. Smith said...

As a follow-up to MJ's mention of the Open Door Law, the Office of the Public Access Counselor has a fantastic, easy-to-read handbook at:

http://www.in.gov/pac/handbook/Be sure to look at the "Remedies for Violations" section.

Rhiannon of NA said...

Food for thought: A report card should be kept on all city council members regarding their roll call votes on issues that NA Confidential deems important, kind of like a scoring/rating like many watchdog groups do. That way bloggers will know exactly how the CM's vote in comparison to bloggers positions, simply get the council agenda and ask bloggers to blog what their position is and tally that and then rate the cm's, would be a great public service

CONCERN TAXPAYER said...

IC 5-14-1.5-4..POSTING AGENDA; MEMORANDA OF MEETINGS;PUBLIC INSPECTION OF MINUTES Sec. 4. (a) A governing body of a public agency utilizing an agenda shall post a copy of the agenda at the entrance to the location of the meeting prior to the meeting. A rule,regulation,ordinance,or other final action adopted by reference to agenda number or item alone is void. (b) As the meeting progresses,the following memoranda shall be kept: (1)The date,time,and place of the meeting (2)The members of the governing body recorded as either present or absent. (3) The general substance of all matters proposed,discussed,or decided. (4) A record of all votes taken,by individual members if there is a roll call. (5) Any additional information required under IC5-1.5-2-2.5 or IC 20-12-63-7 (c) The memoranda are to be available within a reasonable period of time after the meeting for the purpose of informing the public of the governing body's proceedings. The minutes,if any,are to be open for public inspection and copying. SO -Marcy Wiseman-New Albany City CLERK -aka MJ..Did I share the "Correct Information" with the other concerned taxpayers? There will be another workshop meeting for the Mayor and Councilman next "TUESDAY" they have moved it to a smaller office in hopes that not many taxpayers will show up. But we can all stand in the hall in hopes to "HEAR" WHAT KINDS OF DEALS THE MAYOR WANTS TO MAKE. BEFORE NEXT "THURSDAY REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING" BY THE WAY TRULY DON'T PLAN ON SEEING MAYOR GARNER NEXT THURSDAY...THESE WORKSHOPS ARE DESIGNED TO KEEP TAXPAYERS FROM VOICING THERE OPIOIONS AND COMMENTS. WHICH AS WE ALL ARE AWARE HE DOES NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH "TAXPAYERS OR HEAR THERE DISAPPROVAL OF HIM". MARCY DO YOU HAVE A "COMPREHENSION PROBLEM?..THIS DOES BACK UP MY OTHER COMMENTS.."A CONCERNED TAXPAYER"

MJ said...

Concerned Taxpayer -

First Issue - Posting of Agenda for Worksession.

1. The State Law says that IF an agenda is used it must be posted.

2. At this time Mr. Gahan has chosen not to use an agenda for the work sessions (as president of the council that is his perrogative).

3. Therefore, if there is not an agenda one does not need to be posted.

Second Issue - Location of Next Meeting

1. Mr. Gahan would like to hold another work session on Tuesday, February 15, at 7:00 p.m.

2. Because of the meeting schedule for the Assembly Room on that evening it cannot be held in that particular room.

3. Furthermore, due to the schedule conflicts with the County it cannot be held in the Commissioner's meeting room on the second floor.

4. Furthermore, I am currently trying to find a bigger room that is available to hold this meeting.

5. Once I find a room that will accommadate the council and the public this meeting will be posted accordingly and within 48 hours.

Concerned Taxpayer, rather than argue semantics with me over a blog about the posting of agendas for these meetings and where they are being held why don't you come down and see me about them. I might not have all your answers but I would be more than happy to try get Mr. Gahan on speaker phone to discuss this with you. If you don't want to do that, you should voice your concern in the next council meeting. This is definately a council issue.

The New Albanian said...

Seems like MJ is offering sound advice to Concern Taxpayer.

Rhiannon of NA said...

To MJ:

Rhiannon of NA said...

To MJ: I am not surprised that you would so erroneosly defend Gahan and his illegal acts of violating the open meetings law, fact is if at these so called workshops, a vote is taken regarding anything that appears on the official city council agenda, then it is a violation of the open meetings laws.

This administration is becoming as secretive as The 2nd term of the Nixon presidency, my question is What did the Mayor know and when did he know it? Just wondering does he have an enemies list as well?

Rhiannon of NA said...

an example of a city council workshop elsewhere: Perhaps Jeff Dictator gahan should take note and MJ as well                             

CITY OF GRANT

Workshop

March 30, 2004


1.Call to Order
1.Clerk/Treasurer Performance Review
2.Dust Control
3.Assessor’s update and Contract
4.Shooting Ordinance
Adjournment

Conduct at Grant Meetings.
The City welcomes the public to all-public meetings, workshops, and hearings and you are encouraged to express your opinion during these meetings.To keep the agenda moving smoothly, the City uses some basic guidelines for making presentations before the Council.The purpose of the guidelines is:
* To provide for a more orderly meeting
* To provide equal and adequate time for review and consideration of agenda items.
* To provide equal rights to all members of the public who address the Council.



1.Persons attending a public meeting may address the Meeting at the appropriate time that specific items appear on the agenda.
2.The chair shall first recognize anyone wishing to speak.They shall come to the microphone and begin by clearly stating their name and address.
3.Comments shall be addressed to the Council and shall be confined to the
agenda item under discussion.
4.Comments and reading of written statements shall be limited to three minutes and speakers will not be recognized to speak again until everyone who wishes to address the Council has been heard.You are encouraged not to be repetitious of comments made by any previous speakers.
5.The number of individual presentations may be limited by the Council to accommodate the scheduled agenda items.
6.Speakers shall respect the dignity of others being addressed directly or indirectly

All4Word said...

MJ - Why not offer the meeting at Rich O's? Or at Destinations?